Ep. 518 Workers' Comp Rate Increases On the Way with Margaret Hartmann: Part 3

In the final episode of a three-part series, President David Garcia and Margaret Hartmann, Sr. VP and Chief Marketing Officer with BHHC, discuss the WCIRB's proposed 11.2% workers’ compensation rate increase in California. They explore how this may impact employers, and actionable steps businesses can take to mitigate rising premiums.

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Host: David Garcia

Guest: ⁠⁠Margaret Hartmann⁠

Producer/Editor: ⁠Jadyn Brandt

Music: "Home" by JHS Pedals, “Breaking News Intro” by nem0production

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Transcript

Dave Garcia: Hi, you're listening to Rancho Mesa's StudioOne™ podcast where each week we break down complex insurance and safety topics to help your businesses thrive. I'm your host, Dave Garcia. Thanks for joining us.

So today with the WCIRB's recent announcement of 11.2% recommended rate increase in workers' compensation, it definitely feels to me like the workers' compensation marketplace in California is about to change, and with that in mind, we've invited Margaret Hartman, the Senior

Vice President/Chief Marketing Officer at Berkshire Hathaway Home State Companies, who's one of the largest specialty workers' compensation carriers in California, to give us some insights as to how this recommendation came about, what are the areas that are driving this increase, and what employers can do to try and mitigate the rate increases.

Hi Margaret, welcome back to StudioOne. Thanks for joining me today.

Margaret Hartman: Thanks for having me.

DG: It seems to me Margaret, given all the data and recent recommendations that many employers have not all are going to experience rate increases on the renewals. You know, we know Commissioner Lara--generally speaking--the Bureau makes their recommendation which they have at 11.2. Commissioner Lara--usually in June so it could be any day now--will make his recommendation.

MH: I think it's today. There's a hearing today. He may not decide today, but I know there's a hearing today.

DG: Okay, well it could be today and today, so the we're taping this it's June the 10th. You know, I don't have a crystal ball. My crystal ball has snow in it I think he's going to come in with a recommendation of somewhere between four and six percent increase or somewhere in that range, six to seven, I don't know. Regardless, it's going to be a recommended increase, which we have not seen in over a decade in workers' compensation. So while that means it's going to put upward pressure on rate, that doesn't mean every single policyholder in California will see the same rate increase as another.

So your experience modifications come into play, your claims experience is going to come into play, and most importantly too, your safety practices. And this is where we're really auditing that and then allowing your broker to present that to the marketplace and what you're doing to prevent injuries from occurring and then what you do once an injury occurs. I think that is the really, really critical right now and Margaret, what actions would you recommend they try to do, if they see an increase to try to mitigate the increase and in some cases maybe there's still a decrease out there?

MH: Sure. And I mean, we've talked a lot about some specific ways that employers can help themselves out. But really, that experience modification that you're talking about is the best way to manage your insurance premium. So as you mentioned, there's going to be probably some sort of rate increase and probably single-digit, I'd imagine. And I agree with you four to six, three to five, something like that, but you're experiencing it. So that's, the carrier will have a base rate increase, increase likely, but your net rate is not going to be the same as that base rate. And the only way to impact that is to have a low mod. So try to manage your experience mod as much as you can.

And again, that's all the things we talked about, having the safest work environment that you can so you can prevent accidents from happening and then partnering with a carrier that's focused on providing the best possible care, getting claims resolved quickly and efficiently.

DG: Yeah, and we know, as Margaret said, it’s your premiums can be predicated on your payrolls by class code, multiplied by the final rate from the carrier, multiplied by your experience modification. But to get to the final rate of the carrier, there is some subjectivity still available with the carriers. So they can deviate a certain percentage, usually it's plus or minus 50%, off of their base rate. But in order to warrant those credits, it's going to take real items to try to get the carrier to understand why they should apply those credits. So when we talk about that out there, what your broker does is he or she submits to a carrier your information. We call that a submission.

So Margaret, how important is receiving a complete submission early in the process of benefit to the policyholder in getting the best possible rates?

MH: Yeah, I think it's incredibly important. So an underwriter is going to be getting a lot of these applications, right, they're coming to their desk. And the ones that are complete, where they don't have to call or send an email or ask questions or try to get more information, those are going to rise to the top of the stack and they'll be able to process them quickly and maybe get the quotation out, right?

And then that starts the process of negotiation or tweaking that price. So the earlier that you can do that, the better. I think it definitely helps. And then the more complete the information is, you know, that will help the underwriter better price the risk as well.

DG: Yeah, are there any parts of submission that, you know, they're all important, but does any part of it carry more weight for your underwriting team than another area?

MH: Yeah, I mean, I think we look at the account as a whole, but obviously, loss history. It goes a lot into how we view an account, how we price an account. You know, a lot of times there's a supplemental application and employers out there have checked the box. "Oh, yeah, I have a safety program," blah, blah, blah.

But sometimes it becomes a check the box versus a, you know, "What exactly are you really doing?" But the proofs and the pudding, what does the loss history look like?

We also pay a lot of attention to payroll too. Is the account growing and if there's substantial growth in the payroll versus the expiring year, what's going on is there going to be growth and if there's going to be growth, it's not to say we would dislike the account, but that's one where we may want to keep an eye on them. how are they going to manage hiring practices to bring on all these new people? What kind of projects are they going to be taking on? It just goes into us understanding what that risk is isn't understanding how to price it.

Likewise, if the payroll's dropping substantially, why is that happening? Is there a layoff spending, those kinds of things? And then we look at the risk quality, risk management, safety program. Those are harder to get our arms around because as I said, a lot of people will just kind of check the box. Yeah, we have these things. So a narrative is really important from the broker, kind of putting together the story of the account.

The loss history, none of these things are the only, they're only a little piece of the puzzle, right? So maybe the loss history is such that it looks really bad and then in the last two years, it's improved. If you can substantiate why it's improved, not just send, here's the loss runs and here's the application, but this employer really took some steps to improve their loss profile. You know, they hired a new risk manager, they automated a lot of their procedures. Those are things that are going to play into the price and you're going to go, well, I think that account is going to perform the way it has the last two years, not what happened in the past. And they may still have a really high mod because of past poor losses. So it can help kind of paint the picture of what's going on with the account today.

DG: I think that's great you know what it sounds to me and it's high time it's time for everybody go to work, you know the broker needs to go to work and not just check boxes needs to provide more information. I know we regularly dig deep into those things if payrolls are going up maybe it's just payroll inflation maybe there's no new employees everybody just got pay raises or now they're doing union work versus not. Like you need to know more than just the basic facts. And I love the summaries, you know, we're a big proponent of that. But I think I'm always three dimensional, always seems to be the best. And so I know we've worked in the past Margaret, when we get looking at a new potential client of ours, we put all the all the paperwork together, the summaries, the losses, the payrolls, all those things, but it's still paper.

And what I think I like, you know, how we work with you is we'll say, "Hey, can we go out and do a joint call together so you can actually ask the questions and see the operations?"

Do you think having the carrier go out prior to quoting the business is a benefit to the business?

MH: Yeah, absolutely it is. And we love to go out and see the prospects. There's nothing like meeting somebody face-to-face, looking them in the eye and seeing the operation as well. And on the other hand too, they have an opportunity to meet us and see their service team and what they’re going to get from us. You know, policy, especially in the workers’ comp, you know, they all kind of cover the same thing, there’s not really a lot changes besides maybe a deductible. So it's really the service that's important. And so I think it's good for an employer to actually meet their service team and see who's going to be working with them in the future. Yeah, I mean, absolutely. We love to do that. We're always open to having our folks go out and meet with prospects face to face.

And now with virtual too, a lot of times we will do them virtually. It's easier and you can do them quickly. You can get them set up quickly.

DG: I'm sure you can do more than two or three in a day if you need to.

MH: Right, so either way. We're happy to have those meetings. And it does make an impact.

DG: So employers, I would encourage you, you're working with your broker currently to engage with them early. And when we say early, you're probably talking 120 days outside of your renewal date. So you want to get this process started early, particularly with the changes that are occurring. And then as a team, you guys decide should we involve some carrier interviews where we get an opportunity to talk to the carriers, and you can talk to more than one. You know, if you just want to get a comparison like who did you like better? They both offer great services and things like that. So it is going to, it's time to roll up our sleeves and you know really get to work here. There's some tremendously great work comp carriers--Berkshire Hathaway heading the

List--that are out there. So I would just encourage you to you know to go out and work with your broker partner and make sure that they're doing the job that they're supposed to be doing too.

So Margaret you know I appreciate your time today before we wrap up is there anything else you'd like to share with our audience.

MH: Gosh, no, I mean, I think we've covered a lot today. And again, I think our mission is really to provide, you know, the best possible care for injured workers, because at the end of the day, you know, that's what's going to result in the best claims costs more effective for employers. And it's the right thing to do. And keeping employees safe is the right thing to do, not just for, you know, an employer's business, but just because, you know, we care about people.

DG: Yep. And you've demonstrated that, you know, time and time again. So I think everybody out there, you know, there's been a lot of things that we've discussed today. If you're looking for more information, you know, reach out to myself or to Margaret directly, you know, you can go to our site, RanchoMesa.com.

And we're happy to help, you don't have to be our client, we're in this together. So Margaret, listen, I can't thank you enough for joining me today in StudioOne and kind of sharing your insights to this changing worker compensation marketplace. Last, anything else? How's Notre Dame football going to be this year? What do you think? What's your prediction?

MH: Oh boy, I don't know. Don't throw that curve at me. I have no idea, but I'm still looking forward to the season.

DG: Okay, there you go. All right. Well, listen, thank you all for joining me today in StudioOne. If you found this information useful, you can subscribe to our podcast channel, which is StudioOne, all one word, and it can be found on literally all the podcast applications. So thank you again for your time. Goodbye for now.